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, free! call or go online now. [♪...] >>> joining me at the table is heidi moore, dylan glenn, managing director of guggenheim partners, stephanie helton, professor of economics of missouri kansas city. and joe weisenthal, one of the earliest and most outspoken evangelists for the trillion dollar coin started the mint the coin hash tag. >> i promoted it. >> i've done this monologue about the coin. when i got to the table you said that gave me goosebumps. you said it was chilly. so let me start with you. let me start with the skeptics here. heidi, you wrote this piece. you think this is a ridiculous idea is everyone is getting trolled. >> which is self-evident. but i think kind of to take it to the base, it sounds like, okay, here the thing. congress is not going to default. congress is not allowed to not pay its debts. so when you say we are going to create an imaginary coin to face your imaginary default, it's like i'm going to take my nerf bat and ruin your super soaker. this is not real and the deficit is real. we can be talking about education, programs that are going to be cut and
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